{geni:about_me} Although Irma and her sister Helene are listed as "daughters" in Ludwig Schlesinger's obit in the Neue Freie Presse (NFP), Vienna, they are listed as Irma and Helene Wertheimer in the NFP obit of their grandmother,Julie Bing, nee Abeles. Their mother was Caroline Wertheimer, nee Bing as she is listed in her marriage record to Ludwig. Caroline's first husband was possibly a Moriz Wertheimer.